Posted by: Shane | September 18, 2008

some practical responses to Driscoll’s MTC challenge

With the dust settling a little I learnt last night from someone far wiser and smarter that only 10% of people actually do anything in response to what they learnt about in a conference. Not wanting to be part of the 70% who do stuff all and within a month move onto the next fad I thought I would share some changes for me and our elders. Thanks to Sam who summarised a few of his challeges at MTC.

  • because people often work live and play in different places – defining all ministry by our geographic ministry is too narrow

we are remaining committed to our local area whilst recognising that nearly 1/2 our peopel live and work elsewhere. so we are re-energising not only neighbourhood missional communities but also network ministry with more regional missional communities. one of these is our ICON – which is focused on evangelisng and discipling people who are 2nd generation non anglo’s. we’re thinking we will relocate from Tempe to Marrickville in the summer. I am also going to try and expand our ministry in the Australia Tech Park (Refern) and plan for another plant in Alexandria in 2010. Lord willing.

  • Staff teams shouldn’t be filled with only the one type of people – you need prophets, priests and kings. 

I don’t like the fast and loose use of the bible categories but I totally agree with what he’s saying in terms of leadership mix. In our elder team I think we have a good balance but think we need another planter/evangelist and a stronger administrator than me.

  • As the Bible guys we have a tendency to be boring. 
  • we need to know our city better – to go out and spend more time in it 

Seti and I have basically committed one day each week to what I call cultural exegesis. Usually Mondays for me. I get out take a walk, observe, ask questions, research. we also have re implemented a stronger preaching critique method that looks at the message preached , the means of delivery, and the manner of the preacher to encourage faithful passionate interesting preaching.

  • Taking photos of everything is a good idea.

this has been part of the Monday exercise but I am also making use of my iphone. Photos of billboards, types of houses, what people are wearing, bascically anyhting interesting. I also have pull out the big SLR and got some awesome graffiti shots that I will post next week. All this helps me closely observe the culture I am trying to interpret.

  • Matthew 9:36 is a great verse to keep us excited about evangelism.

I preached this passages two weeks ago and have asked that we all might particularly pray that we have a propensity to see and discern this world the way God does, and be moved in compassion the way Jesus is.  I have also made a conscious effort to pray for more empathy and explore more the depths of people’s lostness when I meet them, that i might have a heat for them.

  • Older men and women have a valuable role to play in discipling younger men and women on matters of both faith and life.

personally I desperately need this if I am to model to men younger than me. I have the privilege of meeting up with Simon who hass taken me to lunch and we just chat about whatever. I ask questions he talks. vice verca. We are planning to do this every 8 weeks because of time and committments. We also taught on Titus 2 last weekend and are encouraging Paul/Timothy relationship in our communties.

  • 10 converts should be required before you get a theological degree.

I wish I could say this were the case but in the end God converts not me. It has raised the question of my own evangelistic urgency though. This weekend I am preaching on the need for evangelism and Evangelists.  

  • Preaching for 20 minutes isn’t enough. We need to develop our preaching skills so that we can preach for longer. We need to faithfully preach, explain, apply the passage that we’re dealing with – and take our time doing this.

I have been pushing this over the last 18 months but I am not sure I can be interesting for longer than 35. min. I have though gone longer in the ICON meetings which is predominantly younger. I have also pulled some classic preaching texts of the shelf, and have started again on Lloyd Jones’ preaching and preachers.

  • Letting young people exercise leadership will help grow congregations – both in numbers and maturity.

if only we had more. one of the things I am glad to have done is give Seti plenty of responsibility in ICON. but then again he is a grown man .  There is a tendancy in Anglican polity and personalities to want to control. I have decided to give lots of ppower and responsibility, along wiht support and accountabilty. and I am praying that the Lord will give us more youmg men who will be faithfully, boldly and entrepreneurially labour wiht us in this difficult harvest.

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE Drsicoll presented though has been missed by Sam, and it is whether Moore College is delivering the best system of education and preparing students missiologically – what do you reckon?


Responses

  1. all good thoughts/plans. in answer to the final question, i think the answer is a clear no. moore trains sharp theologians and accurate preachers, but poor missiologists, c/planters, evangelists.

  2. On preaching long – try question time. It lets you leave stuff you know will come up. People are more engaged – it models rough humility as you expose your ignorance but keep going back to scripture, it forces people to think of good questions. Nominal catholics can’t believe the priest is not saying his word is gospel but he too sits under gospel word. People stop looking at their clocks. 35 minute sermon easily adds 15 minutes in questions…

  3. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE Drsicoll presented though has been missed by Sam, and it is whether Moore College is delivering the best system of education and preparing students missiologically – what do you reckon?

    no.

  4. Thanks Shane. Too true what you say in respect to conferences. You have encouraged me to keep thinking about what I will actually do and change. Love your Monday cultural day, perhaps some posts on what you observe would be good. I guess too that the more you do that the more you’re probably do it at other times too, observing and taking in the world around you. In regards to college, I doubt they are trying to prepare people missiologically.

  5. Love Mike’s point too on question time. Also like the way Driscoll has people praying for one another straight after the sermon in response to the Word.

  6. yeah its a good point
    we’ve found this takes time to build into the culture of the way we do things, but are tending to put the reading and proc of the word upfront and then praise prayer prophecy etc in response – works well and seems to have a better logical flow of revelation and response.

  7. dave
    you must have been sleeping
    surely this has got to be the elephant in the room?

    methods of training and empowering the right guys for ministry ?

  8. On preaching longer, my theory is that it’s not about *how long* you preach, it’s about not pre-determining that unreasonably. I figure you can preach for as long as you want, provided you (a) have something worth saying, (b) are interesting enough that people will keep listening, (c) you’ve considered the cultural norm of the group you’re speaking too (which is something you can shift, but takes time).

    Committing mentally to longer sermons, and integrating question time, both have worked well in my context.


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